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Rebuttal to 'COLUMN: Column misrepresented libertarian ideals'
March 26, 2009

Tuesday, March 24, Eric Staib, a libertarian on campus, challenged some claims I made in an article on libertarians published Monday. I will respond point by point.

The Watchmen

1- Concerning the meaning of Libertarian: Staib’s first claim was entirely correct; there are many myths about libertarians, and their ideology is largely misunderstood. Libertarian is a term that today has no practical meaning; it is like liberal, terrorist, or educated, it has been overused to the point of impotence. However, for today’s purposes I believe we should define libertarian as ‘one who seeks to utilize free trade to advocate liberty.’

2- Support with History/Facts: Staib’s next argument was that I didn’t back up my claims with facts, even though I referenced “Chile under Pinochet, Apartheid South Africa, Indonesia under Suharto, Iran under the Shah, [and] modern Colombia” as examples of negative results from free market principles.

2b- Counter Argument: Staib used the examples of Singapore (in which it is a crime to chew gum, and crimes related to marijuana receive capital punishment), Hong Kong (now part of the People’s Republic of China), and South Korea. These are governments with strict controls of the population that use protectionist measures to defend their economies.

The claim that South Korea’s economic growth supports economic libertarianism does not make sense because the government subsidies to the steel and electronic (among others) industries, which are bases for the majority of South Korea’s economy, led me to discount the use of South Korea as an example of libertarian success. The South Korean government has recently begun removing these subsidies, and has already seen some declines in these industries.

However, the minimal government intervention in Chile, South Africa, Indonesia, Iran, and Colombia (in their respective times) as mentioned earlier (in the original article), fit with free markets. Personal freedoms were minimal or nonexistent for the majority in these states, further proving my point.

These examples were my basis for the claim that libertarian policies lead to corrupt governments and dictatorships. Just because the end result isn’t what economists and Staib imagined, doesn’t mean it should be discounted. They followed the economic doctrine, however the people didn’t approve and a police state was created to maintain the libertarian economic doctrines.

2C- Staib’s Support of My Position: Staib wrote, “The abuse of government power necessarily requires the existence of powerful government – which, of course, is antithetical to everything for which we libertarians fight.” I am glad Staib understood my argument. Free market legislation is so unpopular that countries have to become police states to defend these economic measures, in doing so they violate individual liberty for the promotion of libertarian economics.

2D- Biased Sources: Staib cited the Heritage Foundation (HF) in his paper. The HF is a conservative think tank who’s mission statement is to “formulate and promote conservative public policies based on the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense.” The first two goals of the Heritage foundation promote Staib’s argument. The HF does not publish anything that that would lead to a conclusion not supporting their conservative ideology. The HF’s obvious bias in favor of these market principles and extreme political bias in favor of all things conservative discount much of its findings.

2E- Misrepresentation of Recent History- Staib claimed that recent events refute the claims that libertarian ideologies hurt the market. The deregulation that occurred under every presidential administration since Reagan (Clinton to a lesser extent, but he did approve some deregulation, with the greatest deregulation during W. Bush’s presidency) has led to the current economic crisis. In this time the market was freed in ways it hasn’t been since the early 1930’s. In response to that economic crisis regulations were set to maintain control of this critical part of our economy. With this deregulation banks, mortgage companies, and investment companies took more risks, and eventually they failed in response to the risk, bringing the market down with them.

When the market fell as history and many economists warned us it would, consumers lost confidence, which was my point. It takes a great deal of regulation to convince citizens and businesses to reinvest their wealth. We don’t invest in things we believe will fail. Regulations help speed the process of reinstating confidence, which won’t be regained overnight.

The Power of Business- Staib’s claim that businesses are not the most powerful force in society because they do not hold the legitimate use of force is a misnomer. They don’t need the use of force, and when they’ve needed it in the past (union busting, forcing labor, protection) they’ve received permission or help from the state. Businesses often control the state’s use of force; examples include the United Fruit Company’s influence on the US’s policy in Central America, especially Guatemala and Dole Fruit’s influence on US policy in the Pacific Islands. The US had military operations in direct support of both these companies. There are many examples of governments using their force to support business interests.

Max Avery/The Daily

Comments

First of all, your new definition of libertarianism that “one who seeks to utilize free trade to advocate liberty” is very misguided. Libertarianism is more than free trade. However, free trade is a logical conclusion for economic policy in a libertarian country. But, economics is not the be-all-and-end-all of libertarian philosophy.

A better definition is libertarians want to maximize individual liberty which means a very limited role for the state. In fact its only role should be to enforce individual rights and enforce contracts. Pigeonholing Libertarianism as only a free trade economic theory is disingenuous and just plain wrong.

Now, with the whole picture of the “libertarian ideal” let’s analyze your examples:

Chile under Pinochet – He was hardly a libertarian but instead a military dictator. Suspending civil liberties and violating human rights. Ironically this supposed liberty loving libertarian was put on trial for his violations of liberty. However, I do somewhat agree with you on his economic ideas. He was pro-free market, but remember this is economic policy not his entire political philosophy.

Indonesia under Suharto – Yet, another example of a military dictator. Similar to Pinochet he had a very centralized and rule by military force. Again, I’m not sure how a military dictatorship = libertarianism. However, I will agree with you on the economic policy. He seemed to have a pro-free market stance but the government controlled many methods of production.

Iran under the Shah – Finally someone who isn’t a total military dictator but instead is a monarch. Unlike Pinochet and Suharto, the shah did try to push things likes women’s rights but he still maintained a highly centralized state. Again, he did seem somewhat pro-free market but much of the wealth was maintained at the top, especially the nationalized oil industry.

The major problem with your analysis is that it’s conflating free market capitalism with the definition of libertarianism. While capitalism is a logical consequence of a political philosophy that maximizes individual liberty, is not the whole story. As a political science major I expected better analysis. You of all people know that economic policy is a small portion of a countries overall political philosophy.

Your examples are bad because they only address the economic side of libertarianism and not the moral/political side. None of the examples have governments that support individual liberty or even a limited government. Instead they are highly centralized states that saw some benefit to a free market economic policy. It is very disingenuous use examples that don’t represent a political philosophy in order to refute that political philosophy. I believe that is somewhat of a red herring argument.
We need to look at the whole picture when discussing political philosophies, including ones we don’t agree with.

Posted by anonymous / Tarrant_Carter_Staff_Writer on April 2, 2009 at 1:18 a.m.

2E:
Your claim on deregulation is rather misguided. During his presidency, George W. Bush pushed for (and got) the Securities & Exchange Commission's largest budget increases in its history. He also signed off on new legislation that allowed for expanded federal oversight with regards to allegations of corporate fraud. If anything, Bush was a supporter of increased regulations in the financial and securities industries.

"With this deregulation banks, mortgage companies, and investment companies took more risks, and eventually they failed in response to the risk, bringing the market down with them." --> Can you cite sources?

I don't think it's too much of a leap to conclude that you are mixing up economic theory with political handwringing. Maybe you should do some research to see what types of implicit guarantees that the government made to private companies and quasi-public companies that helped bring on the mortgage crisis before blaming it on "deregulation."

Libertarians wouldn't necessarily conclude that regulation as a whole is a bad thing, just that we have enough as it is already. More government is not the solution to libertarians. Libertarians would argue that government interference, whether through implicit or explicit guarantees is more of an issue than regulation itself.

Editor's Note: Joe Hunt is a columnist for The Daily.

Posted by anonymous / JoeHunt on April 8, 2009 at 7:56 p.m.

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